Role of positive mental attitude
I am not sure exactly where this concept comes from, but it is quite common among cancer patients. If one can practice truly positive thinking, not give way to any negative thoughts of any kind, eventually the cancer will be defeated. “Mind over Matter” is often cited as the irrefutable logic behind this concept. I regret to inform you, there is no shred of evidence that positive thinking influences how cancer cells behave. They are mindless little beasts, their behavior governed by the mangled DNA that made them cancerous in the first place. The Medscape article below goes into great detail debunking this myth. No reputable psychologist or oncologist will support the magical power of positive thinking in curing cancer. And I agree with them.
Does positive thinking do anything for us?
There is another reason why positive thinking is important. Actually, I think it is easily the most important thing in life – whether or not you have cancer. It is quite simple. We are all born with a finite amount of life in our account. When that runs dry, we die. Some will die sooner, some will live long lives. But die we must. It seems to me that the important thing is not how long we live, but how we live the lives we do have.
Let us take an average CLL patient, with middle of the road prognostics. It is not unreasonable that such a patient will be in Watch & Wait for several years (say, 4 years). Assuming he has access to the present day drug regimens only and no breakthroughs occur during his life, he may have another 6 or so years alternating between therapy and remissions. A full ten years or more from the dreaded day of CLL diagnosis to when he may kick the bucket. Take a minute to think about it. Ten years is a long time! Much can be achieved, much can be experienced in all those years. The choice rests with the patient. Make the ten years he does have a living hell because he is so depressed and angry about not having more than the ten years. Or he can make them the best ten years of his life. Positive thinking will not change the quantity of his life. But it surely will change the quality of his life.
There is a small caveat even when it comes to the influence of positive thinking on cancer outcome. None of us live on a desert island, dealing with our CLL in total isolation. All of us interact with others – our families, our physicians, the nurses in the infusion room, the insurance company representative, the pharmacist that fills your prescription. Each and every one of these people can influence your CLL outcome. Most of us have heard of the book “How to win friends and influence people” – I must confess I have not actually read it. The short version of the book is quite simple. Your personality, how you approach a given situation, how you negotiate your way through complex situations, all of these are important when it comes to influencing people.
If CLL was a simple disease with well defined guidelines for treatment, it may not be that important. But we know better than that. CLL is complex, varied and bewildering. Options are not crystal clear. Even experts don’t always agree. You really want your doctor to go the extra distance, really stretch his brain before making a therapy recommendation. You want the nurse to be extra careful in getting the dosage right, get a good vein the first time she pokes you with a needle. Family support systems are very important for all the crazy hurry up & wait stuff. It is a lot harder to avoid infections if your family does not cooperate. Inclusion criteria for clinical trials are not always cast in concrete. Sometimes they can be interpreted and bent just a tad to fit a specific patient’s situation. Will the researcher making the call go the extra distance for you? I guess it depends on how good you are at winning friends and influencing people.
A good thing gone bad
But there is a truly dark side of this whole business of positive thinking. We hear such glowing stories of brave cancer patients fighting against insurmountable odds. The smiles never leave their faces, they never admit to a moment of self doubt. Nothing scares them, they are serene and powerful in their positive thinking. Wow. Now that is a true hero.
I am not one of them. I remember plenty of nights being scared silly as I watched my husband sleep. No decision was ever made without going back and forth, agonizing over minute details that really did not influence the decision in any way. I would not be surprised if the majority of the human race is more like me and less like the cancer patient hero that reporters gush about. Does that make you feel less than adequate? A nagging sense that somehow you failed to live up to the expectations of others? Trust me, you are not alone. We have built such a huge edifice to the myth of the brave patient warrior that we have lost all sense of proportion. It is OK to be human, worry about your health, feel scared, even shed a few tears if you are so inclined. The important thing to remember is not to expect perfection, even from yourself.
I am curious to know what you guys think about all this stuff. Faith, a positive mental attitude, a gentle philosophy of accepting what is after all inevitable for all mortal beings – all of these are important in making life worth living. They make us better human beings, better parents, spouses and patients. But none of them will actually make us immortal. Some diseases are influenced by brain chemistry and stress levels – high blood pressure for example. In a stretch, I suppose one can make the case that mental attitude influences how immune system functions and that in turn influences how CLL behaves. It is a stretch, and I have seen no evidence that it actually makes enough of a difference that can be measured, defined. But I have no doubt at all that a positive attitude gives patients the empowerment they need to take better care of themselves, make smart therapy decisions that will help improve both the quality and quantity of their lives.
What say you?
Personality Does Not Influence Cancer; Hypothesis Should Be Retired
Zosia Chustecka
August 27, 2010 — Personality has no effect on cancer risk or cancer survival, concludes a new study based on the largest and most relevant dataset to date. Other recent studies have also found no link or have been inconclusive.
It is time to finally retire the hypothesis that personality has an effect on cancer, say psychologists reporting and discussing these findings in the August 15 issue of the American Journal of Epidemiology.
In the study, Naoki Nakaya, PhD, and colleagues from the Institute of Cancer Epidemiology at the Danish Cancer Society in Copenhagen, analyzed data from more than 4500 cancer patients and found no effect of personality on either risk or survival.
“Cancer patients should not think that their personality traits may have affected their cancer or cancer prognosis,” the researchers conclude.
Given the evidence, we think that it is time to retire the hypothesis.
“Given the evidence, we think it is time to retire the hypothesis that personality — as it has been studied until now — is causally related to the onset of and survival from cancer,” said Adelita Ranchor, PhD, professor of health psychology at the University of Groningen, the Netherlands.
“Studies so far have failed to find any epidemiological evidence,” she told Medscape Medical News.
Dr. Ranchor coauthored an editorial that accompanied the study with Robbert Sanderman, PhD, also from the University of Groningen, and James C. Coyne, PhD, professor of psychiatry at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia.
Dr. Nakaya, principal investigator of the study, told Medscape Medical News that he agrees that it is time to retire this hypothesis, and urges physicians to tell cancer patients about these findings so that they can stop worrying.
“Many patients worry that their own personality has made their cancer develop, or that their personality shortens longevity,” Dr. Nakaya said. “But our research shows that this is not the case, so cancer patients need not worry about this,” he reported.
“The notion that personality is related to cancer onset and its course might cause turmoil for the patients and their families because there might be some pressure on the patient to fight the cancer,” Dr. Ranchor added. If doctors see that the patient and family are struggling with this issue, then providing relevant information can bring some peace of mind, she explained.
Strongly Held Cultural Beliefs
The hypothesis that personality influences cancer can be traced back to the times of the Ancient Greeks, the editorialists note. The idea resurfaced in the 1960s after a few positive studies — which have since been severely criticized — led to the idea that some personality traits lead to an increased risk for cancer, and that once cancer has developed, optimism and a fighting spirit can extend survival.
Some of these ideas have now become “embedded in a matrix of strongly held cultural beliefs,” the editorialists note.
Many of the theories on personality and cancer were proposed by Hans Eysenck, who was involved in some of the early studies and who developed the personality test that was used to measure extraversion and neuroticism in many of these studies.
The personality test itself is “well validated and widely accepted,” the editorialists point out, “but Eysenck’s views on the relation of personality to cancer are not.”
He was “one of the most vigorous proponents of personality as a risk factor for cancer,” and even though much of his work in this field has since been discredited, his ideas are still influential because not everyone is aware of the criticisms surrounding his controversial work, which continues to be cited, Dr. Ranchor said.
On the basis of a small study, published in 1962, that found that lung cancer patients were more likely than control subjects to score high on extraversion and low on neuroticism, Eysenck proposed that these personality traits affect an individuals’ risk for cancer because they affect stress, which in turn affects the immune and endocrine systems. His explanation for this was that people who scored high for extraversion would seek out stimulation and would therefore experience high levels of stress, and that people who scored low for neuroticism (which measures emotional instability) would tend not to express their feelings and would therefore experience a high level of emotional stress.
Some of these theories were extended to cancer patients, with the idea that the accumulated repression of emotions would cause stress, which again, through an effect on immune and endocrine functions, would have a negative effect on cancer progression.
This led to the idea that psychological factors such as optimism and fighting spirit can have a positive effect on cancer. “These views are still widely held, even though evidence from high-quality studies does not support these theories, and no reasonable mechanisms to explain how the effect can be mediated have been identified,” Dr. Ranchor explained.
Although the idea that a fighting spirit prolongs survival offers a sense of hope, it can also cause turmoil in the lives of cancer patients and their families, which is very sad when patients have only a limited time left, Dr. Ranchor said. Patients might be accepting of the disease, but the family thinks that they should fight because they want the patient to recover. And of course, patients themselves can become seriously disappointed if they think it is possible to fight the disease when it “turns out that it is not,” she added.
If the doctor sees that the patient and/or family are struggling with such issues, providing relevant information might help, she said.
Latest Study Largest So Far
This study by Dr. Nakaya and colleagues — which is “undoubtedly the largest relevant dataset ever assembled” — found no association between personality traits and all-cancer incidence or mortality, the editorialists write. These null results should be given a weight that takes into account not only the study’s superior sample size but also its methodological strengths, they explain.
We can now be reasonably confident.
“We can now be reasonably confident that the overall effect size for a personality–cancer causal association is much too small to have clinical and public health implications, if it exists at all,” the editorialists write.
The hypothesis that personality can influence cancer should “quietly pass into oblivion,” they suggest. However, they acknowledge that it is not likely to disappear because of “strongly held cultural beliefs and ideology.”
Conducted in Scandinavia
The study was conducted while Dr. Nakaya was at the Danish Cancer Institute — he has since returned to Japan, and is now at the Kamakura Women’s University. The team was headed by Christoffer Johansen, MD, PhD, DMSc, head of the department of psychosocial cancer research at the Institute of Cancer Epidemiology at the Danish Cancer Society.
They analyzed data collected in twin studies conducted in Sweden and Finland, in which all participants completed personality questionnaires, and linked it to data collected in the national cancer registries of both countries.
For the analysis of the association with risk for cancer, data from both Sweden and Finland were used. It involved 59,548 individuals who had completed questionnaires and 4631 cases of cancer, with a maximum of 30 years follow-up.
For the analysis of the association with cancer survival, only data from Finland were used. It involved 2733 cancer cases and 1548 subsequent deaths, with a maximum of 29 years of follow-up.
Neither analysis found any association between extraversion or neuroticism and the risk for cancer at any site or the risk for death from cancer at any site.
“Our findings are in line with those of recent prospective studies, which provide no support for the hypothesis that personality traits are direct risk factors for cancer at all sites,” the researchers conclude.
They note, however, that their own study found a significant positive but very weak association between extraversion and neuroticism and the risk for lung cancer; this has also been seen in previous studies. They explain this by suggesting that this effect is mediated through smoking — people with a certain personality are more likely to smoke, increasing their risk for lung cancer.
The team also found a significant negative association between neuroticism and the risk for liver cancer, but they suggest that this might be a chance finding. There was no mediation by alcohol consumption, and the numbers were small, they add.
The editorialists discuss both of these findings, and agree that smoking might explain the increased risk for lung cancer, but “no plausible biological pathway can be mustered” to explain the reduced risk for liver cancer. “We might concede that both are due to chance, rather than embrace one finding but not the other,” they add.
Am J Epidemiol. 2010;172:377-385, 386-388.
Medscape Medical News © 2010 WebMD, LLC
50 comments on "Does Positive Thinking Influence Cancer Outcome?"
There’s so much we want to control, and so much we can’t control. There’s so much we have to accept, but also much that we can do something about. It’s enough to make one’s head spin.
The truth is, I don’t know if positive thinking influences cancer outcome or not. What I feel strongly is that wisdom lies in accepting what is, cancer or no, while doing one’s utmost to know oneself, one’s capacities and limits and living as fully as one can. Life is change. Bad things happen. Wonderful things happen. Be ready for both. Nothing lasts. Joy lurks in suspected corners, and sadness and tragedy are part of living. They are both a part of life–never just one or the other.
We are social animals. Comfort and support are ours to give and to receive, and we should welcome them. We are alone and at the same time we are not alone. Life is hard, and living is a struggle. But I believe it’s all we have, and we must do the best we can with our particular lives without berating ourselves for what we can’t do. It seems to me that’s a worthy goal, cancer or no. In that sense, having cancer ought to make no difference to our conduct.
Not exactly philosophy in a nutshell, is it, but I don’t trust nutshells, overly-simple answers, formulas, even statistics. While we are here, each of us is unique and irreplaceable. We must live as we can. Do we have a choice?
Well, first, I say Thanks again, Chaya, for a very helpful and insightful article. I’ve wondered since my diagnosis 4 years ago whether I’ll be able to maintain what has been, so far, a generally positive attitude; once I’m out of W & W, I imagine that may be harder.
It will be a great relief not to ALSO deal with guilt over feeling angry or scared at times, or worry that I’m making myself sicker by allowing negative feelings to come and go. That has been the key for me so far–letting myself (and my husband and children) have the feelings that come, and recognizing that nothing, including fear and anger, is forever. It’s good to see in print that a down day is not a treatment (or moral) failure on my part.
That said, you’re right about attitude and quality of life. Negative feelings will come, death will come, but in the meantime, life can be such an enjoyable experience. Right now I’m looking out my window at sunlight slanting through green leaves; nothing special–just the everyday back yard–but they’re so beautiful! The happiness they create doesn’t have to cure cancer–it’s good all on its own :-)
Thank you, Chaya. You know, even if Eysenk’s finding panned out. he found people LOW in neuroticism were MORE likely to have lung cancer. I don’t know exactly how he defines neuroticism, but you’d hardly think that the person high in it was engaging in positive thinking.
Incidentally, I had a friend with breast cancer who decided to go with positive thinking and nutrition. No one could say anything like, “sorry to hear you have cancer” etc. She died in less than a year, leaving a teenage son and a pre-teen daughter.
As a 15 year CLL survivor and an oncology massage therapist, I can testify from my own experiences as to the extreme value of a positive mental attitude.
The following encapsulated my massage philosophy:
“They say happiness is not a destination but a means of traveling. Having cancer is both destination and journey. Medicine focuses on the quality of the destination. Massage focuses on the quality of the journey.”
What and how we think may not influence the medical quality of our destinations but it surely influences the quality of our experiential journeys.
And, I might add, the quality of life for those around us.
Thanks again, Chaya.
Dear Chaya,
Thanks again for another illuminating Topic. This fits in with other responsible articles I have read regarding positive thinking, personality and cancer outcomes. I think a similar thing could be said for nutrition, exercise and alternative therapies. However I believe this does NOT mean we shouldn’t live as happily and healthily as we can!
I was diagnosed in 2003 and am still in watch and live. How lucky! I read at the start that “you can focus on dying from this illness or you can focus on living with it.” How true. I have a very knowledgeable CLL specialist whom I true implicitly. How fortunate! I am fitter, through exercise and diet, than I was for 40 years. What a wake-up call! Because of my diagnosis I have ‘stopped to smell the roses.’ Who know what I would have done otherwise, but probably I would have still been on the stress-mill. I am continually amazed and gladdened by the dedication of the researchers and carers who are moving heaven and earth to try and produce better outcomes for us. I am heartened by the mutual assistance and sharing shown by fellow patients on this and the Acor site.
As you say, it’s not the length of our lives which matters but the quality.
Best regards,
Rick
At the end of the day, it is what it is. But we can handle it with as good an attitude that is possible knowing that it will get us through the next step. And when/if CLL gets us in the end, we will have known that we’ve done our best.
Dear Chaya,
thank you for bringing this to the fore. My husband’s attitude towards dealing with his aggressive CLL has always been admired by family and friends. He is a big guy with a big inclination for fun and humour, a bit “in your face” towards the CLL. Now he is day +24, post mini-MUD transplant. We are both exhausted and he is grappling with several complications. I watch for glimmers of his light, but after weekends like this past one, where he is so nauseated and weak, can hardly keep his eyes open and I do hope that his big personality will find its way back. As his wife and care giver I too feel the pressure to be positive, especially in these days where one problem solved seems to quickly lead to another, newer and stranger one. So, when faced with these challenges, I feel anger, and fatigue, but still hope.
I agree with you Chaya. Positive attitudes wont change the end result of this cancer but it makes life better while we live with it. Some people say they admire me because of the way I am handling this CLL for the past 8 1/2 years……that always surprises me because I dont know any other way to be. I either accept it and enjoy my life or I am a grump and do not. I choose to put on a happy face and not burdeon myself or others with sadness. That time will come soon enough I suspect. If I get down and depressed which I do now and then, I take something to take the edge off for that day and go on about my business……..planting and smelling the flowers and loving my new grandbaby girl being thankfull that I am here to see my baby have her own baby. I worried that it wouldnt happen so I am grateful. There are many people in this world a lot worst off them I am so I try to remind myself of that little fact when I start to feel sorry for myself. Which I do allow myself to do now and then.
thanks chaya for sticking with us and helping us through all of this with education and friendship.
Darlene
Hi Chaya
Thanks, I agree with mswolf and holly, It is what it is, yet we do become our own advacate at the same time. That was when I was able to feel not quite as scared. I read your site. I read how others delt with CLL. When I finally got to a specialist I got better answers. This helped me feel I had some control of my own life. I’m the one who has to understand. I’m the one who has to live in the reality of my cancer. I am in 1 yr remission, I know there is, as of yet no cure for CLL and I will need Tx again, when, I don’t know. I believe I do the best I can I recently lost my sister to ovarian cancer. She was diagnosed just before I was in 2009. It’s sometimes still hard to believe she is gone. She kept a good attitude and lived as fully as she could in her two yr remission. She was also scared, sometimes angry and sometimes lonely; even amongst her many loving friends and family. that I can relate to. Sometimes it feels like no one really does understand. It is what it is. Thank God for my faith, that is where I have really survived. Thanks again.
I found for myself, that after having lived with my diagnosis for a few months, I learned to cope by operating on two levels. I can read about CLL and receive test results and find out about poor prognostic indicators, and mostly receive all this interesting information on a relatively calm intellectual level, and accept the fact that statistics tell me I have problems ahead of me and a limited lifespan.
On an emotional level however, I have deliberately fostered my natural inclination to feel hopeful and positive, and try to live my life with an attitude that we live in a beautiful world with lots of good and kind people. I don’t think that my cancer cells take any notice of this what so ever, but it sure makes me happier, and gives me the motivation to do everything I can to explore treatment options, to maintain my health and enjoy my life.
I am not perfect at doing this of course, and sometimes I get a chilling stab of fear, or occasionally wake at night and lie there feeling sad and sorry for myself, but if I look at my life honestly, I would say that when I find myself feeling unhappy, it is more likely to come from problems with people in my life, than it is from CLL.
Apart from the pros and cons of deliberately induced ‘positive thinking’ and whether it has a direct effect on cancer, I believe that stress has been shown to have a significant effect on health and the onset of disease. The word ‘stress’ means different things to different people, and I have in mind major losses and tragedies, overwhelming financial problems or chronic overwork, rather than worrying about an overdue library book or what the neighbours think about your old car.
Sometimes we can do something about these major problems, sometimes it is very difficult. It may be positive thinking has a role to play to helping us “to change the things we can and accept those that we cannot” and in this way perhaps assist our immune systems.
Chris
The article is interesting, but I am not swayed as much by epidemiological evidence as I am by personal experience. I have known several women (not men — simply because I have never had conversations with male cancer survivors about it) who have gone through all kinds of cancer diagnoses and treatment and survived (including myself, which included a stem cell transplant for end-game and chemo-resistant CLL five years ago accompanied by Grade III acute GVHD). We seem to have three traits in common: one, that we were over-confident in our ability to affect change; two, that were were over-ready to accept blame for failure, and three, that we could overcome anything. We also shared the following: the inordinate stress we took upon ourselves as wives, daughters, mothers, friends and full-time workers; the fact that our husbands did not share in the emotional stress of raising a family under these circumstances; and our paramount commitment to raising a good family. I am convinced that our readiness to take on stress no matter how much contributed to our illness, but our belief in our ability to triumph no matter what contributed to our survival.
Dear Chaya, thank you for another thought provoking topic.
I agree w/you and many of the others commenting that a positive attitude will not cure my CLL. What I have learned over the years is that a positive attitude will greatly enhance my quality of life. A good attitude positively influences every aspect of my daily life and all my interpersonal relationships with family, friends, etc.
Many years ago I heard an interview that deeply influenced me. A young woman who had been tragically paralyzed in an auto accident talked about her battle to regain any sense of joy in her life. She struggled for several years with deep depression and sadness. Eventually with the help of therapy she came to see that one thing she could change was her outlook, her attitude. She began her journey to reclaim and reconnect with whatever joy she could find in her life. She became a successful attorney, filled her life with family and friends and re-discovered the blessings of happiness and love once more. Her final comment was that “of all thge disabilities, a bad attitude may be the most destructive”.
I too struggle with the ups and downs of my watch & wait CLL diagnosis. But I have learned over the years (that when I am troubled) to re-focus on all the blessings in my life (past & present). A “gratitude list” I call it. It always eventually leads me out of the darkness back into the light.
As some of you have shared CLL has also helped me discover a heightened sence of appreciation for the many small pleasures & joys in my daily life. And when I take the time to notice there are so many wonderful things. A beautiful day, the trees & flowers, our dog Zelda, our cats, every day I wake up feeling well, a Mozart symphony, books to read, a husband & family to love. And dear and treasured friends who enrich my life immeasurably.
So yes, I agree a positive attitude may not impact our quantity of life but it sure does increase our quality of life (and the lives of all those we come in contact with).
Bless you dear Chaya for being such an excellent patient advocate for our entire CLL community. You hold a prominent place on my gratitude list.
Warm regards – Patti Kruse
Acceptance.
Dec ’07, I was diagnosed with Stage four CLL, given 3 months to a year initially till things would get worse I was told, so chemo began immediately in Jan ’08. Rituxan/Fludarabine 6 rounds given 4 weeks apart. Bone marrow test had divulged 90-95% involvement, other tests…Zap70 positive, P53 deletion…what great news for someone who has always valued every moment and been thankful for everything in my life, good & bad, as in my opinion, the bad things help you to appreciate the good things…so ultimately, I appreciated the fact I was here at all! I ate healthy, didn’t drink, a good person, if I say so myself, grateful for the opportunity to be here to experience life for what it is. I am a wife, a mother, a grandmother.
Did I cry, oh ‘yes’! Did I ask, “Why me?”. No, I said, “Better me than someone else.” I’m not religious, but realistic.
Do I believe in mind over matter? The mind has the uncanny ability to fool itself into believing in it’s ability to control the cellular level of existence. If we could truly do that…there would be no illness at all, in my opinion.
By the way, the chemo didn’t work…only received 3 rounds of 6 scheduled (hospitalized febrile neutropenia after 2 rounds). Doctor cancelled after 3rd with no improvement after several months.
By the end of ’08, pain in left leg & lower back…extreme…wheel chair bound…but still here! In and out of emerge several times…doctors said cancer in bone, sent home with morphine. April ’09 second time in same day…angel dressed in green garb (I am not a religious person) ordered an MRI…cancer in lumbar spine putting pressure on spinal cord…I was told CLL didn’t do that…obviously it does. Radiation to lumbar spine next morning, walking that same morning-with a cane, but walking!!
Oct ’09-bone marrow transplant list candidate. Surprise, surprise, told I didn’t qualify, but a board of doctors talked it over and changed their minds.
Oops, doctors’ oversight-Jan ’09 NCS (numb chin syndrome) symptoms. Not much attention paid to symptoms till Dec ’09…MRI/CNS fluid checks…lepto meningeal disease…no more bone marrow transplant, taken off the list. Checked for other cancers as an explanation, but found none, so far. Radiation therapy to head and spine 2 x Dec ’09. Lost hair, but it did come back-dark, not gray! MRI April ’10, no improvement. Chemo recommended: Campath/Methotrexate, but declined, didn’t want the illness which follows. Just enjoy what’s left.
Oct ’10, began transfusion dependency, as marrow failure increases, haemoglobin/platelets drop drastically & often, transfusions down to < ~ two week intervals by April '11. Haematologist then said 3-4 months left…"What do you want to do?" Decided on Rituxan/Fludarabine again, but at 6 week intervals with dexamethasone every 3 weeks. 4 rounds initially, then 5,6,7. Cancelled #8, Jan ‘12, chronic sinusitis, two times hospitalized febrile neutropenia.
Hope was to give a better quality of life for what I have left. I saw the haematologist this month, May 2012…"You should be dead, you know,"…his words.
My reply, "I know."
In a letter to my family GP this month, he said I was in complete remission, much to his surprise, completely unexpected…now thinking of a possible stem cell transplant in the future??? Very strange.
Did my attitude have anything to do with it…will it last??? Absolutely not in any way on either count!!
Life is what it is…only a temporary condition.
We are dealt a hand in this life. How we play our cards can influence the outcome…but, we are born to die…that's life. Regardless of how well we are or what our attitude is…that is the given fact of 'Life'. What we do in the living of this life, that is where the true value of life lies.
We are trapped in this element of time which we as humans have created…it truly does not exist. We give ourselves boundaries every way we possibly can. Science is limitless in it's potential, or so we would like to think. It is infinite…no one ever seems to be able to find the true beginning or end to anything or anyone for that matter…so can we say things truly end?
As we all know, those people, places or things we have known, seen or read about, been told about live on within each and everyone aware of their existence past or present. But, do they exist if we do not know of them?
If we are unaware of something does it truly exist?? If you don't want to think you have cancer, will you not, ever?? If you don't know you have cancer, do you??
Thinking rationally, we all must realize, we do not and cannot control the microscopic level of the life within this universe we call a body. We are only 10% human…the scientific fact of the matter, as science tells us.
We as human, in that respect are the minority…in the hands of the masses.
Live life to the best of your ability…share your dreams, fears, thoughts, hugs while you have the physical ability to do so.
I believe in the Spirit of Life itself…a common existence that all living creatures share…regardless of their origin. The Spirit is with you…for some it will be their God. However you choose to perceive it…we are all One in Life…living is the result of that bond. We could not do it without the life and living of others, be it animals or plants or microscopic creatures which we cannot even fathom.
Too often we are so busy living, we forget about Life. For some of us, when we are given a diagnosis which deals with our mortality, be it cancer or other illness or accident, we are overwhelmed by the thought of it.
It shocks us back to the very nature of the purpose of living…Life itself…the mere joy of it's existence. We come to appreciate even the tiniest elements of life. We go through the living of it in slow motion, taking in every aspect we can perceive, the good and the bad. Everything is enhanced, whether we choose it to be or not. We seem to be brought to an elementary level of existence…and it is sincerely amazing to perceive life in this way.
Enjoy Life…it is a gift to be shared with the living.
My husband’s favourite statement regarding Life…”Just keep rolling.”
Thank you, Chaya, for all that you do for so many.
Sincerely, Crystal
There may be no clinical trials indicating that mental attitude cures/ameliorates cancer, but are there any indicating that mental attitude does NOT do so? It would be very difficult to design a study to “prove” things either way.
Few people would maintain that positive thinking alone can cure cancer (or any other disease). But many are convinced that it has helped them individually. The will to live is a powerful factor. Moreover, there is a body of perfectly respectable research showing that individual psychology influences a person’s physiology. Search around using Google etc. Vide the UCLA study showing that a placebo effects brain structure, when monitored by PET scans. Likewise studies of the placebo effect and the immune system. When it comes to cancer, the latter is highly significant.
Your article, dear Chaya, like many others you come up with, seems to argue from your pre-existent belief/viewpoint on life/health/cancer etc. in general. It is very difficult for a person to do otherwise, and we all know pretty much what to expect from you. But it could equally well be argued the other way by someone who happened to belive the reverse. Search around using Google etc. Do you consider, btw, the negative psychological effect some of your articles may have on some people?
You always come across as being ultra sure of your opinions. You would, as my grandfather used to say, “argue the hind leg off a donkey”. :-) I often feel that despite the tremendous time and energy you put into your CLL work, the site remains very much a platform for the expression of your own individual opinions and take on life, through the medium of CLL research.
Keep going, your patient advocacy is second to none, but I hope you don’t expect us all to believe the fruits of your cogitations. Even experts can sometimes get it badly wrong. History is full of instances.
“That is the biggest fool thing we have ever done. The bomb will never go off, and I speak as an expert in explosives.” — Admiral William Leahy, to President Truman, when asked his opinion of the atomic bomb project.
John Davidson
UK
Hi Chaya,I think it’s about time that old ‘blame’ potato was put to bed. We are not to blame for our genes that cause cancer. I do think that our personalities do affect our behaviour patterns though.
Someone I know was always ill with endless minor ailments. Then her boyfriend went off with someone else and she was hadn’t seen it coming and was very hard hit. She couldn’t sleep, stopped eating, started chain smoking. Then she got multiple mouth sores, turned very pale and weak. Her GP sent her to hospital where they diagnosed myeloid leukaemia that had started three months before. Guess when her boyfriend split up with her? Three months exactly to the day.
So I do think how we react to things can significantly affect our health.
JohnDavidson:
You are right, I do have strongly held opinions. Why would I spend 40-50 hours each week reading / researching / and writing for this website for the past ten years, if I did not have strongly held convictions? And your grandfather is right too, I do love to argue my point of view.
As for what you and other members believe, that is entirely up to you. We are all adults here. It is hard enough writing about such serious topics without having to take responsibility for what you and other members believe. Fortunately for all of us, I have no desire to be a “Cancer guru” or even life coach. This website is free of charge. People can take from it what they want. In this particular instance, I came across an article that I thought was both credible and interesting and therefore chose to review it. Will my opinions reflect the opinions of everyone who reads my review? Obviously not!
This is a quote taken out of our “Mission” statement:
Do I influence the message by my “voice”, by what I chose to review, by the bias I bring to the table? There is no way of avoiding that, I would not be human if I was able to keep every bit of my own personality out of it. This is something that you must remember as you read my articles and judge their value to you.
Thank you Chaya for this site and all the hard work you do. I have been on watch and wait for 4 1/2 yrs. and hope in Christ is what keeps me going through the ups and downs of cll. Hope keeps your thoughts and emotions looking ahead, making everyday count because you know where you are going and who is going with you. Thank you again for all the information you give us.
Yours Kathy
Chaya,
I do not agree with your assessment.
You said – “In a stretch, I suppose one can make the case that mental attitude influences how immune system functions and that in turn influences how CLL behaves. It is a stretch, and I have seen no evidence that it actually makes enough of a difference that can be measured, defined.”
There is a school of thought about disease and treatment that is captured in the following two quotes.
Albert Schweitzer said: Each patient carries his own doctor inside him. They come to us not knowing that
truth. We are at our best when we give the doctor who resides within each patient a chance to work.
Deepak Chopra said: Intelligence is present everywhere in our bodies. Our own inner intelligence is far
superior to any we can try to substitute from the outside.
If that has any truth to it, how might this apply to CLL; irrespective of positive mental attitude? Is it possible that there are alternative approaches that might unlock our own body’s abilities to better fight off CLL? Is it possible that by strengthening our body’s immune system functioning, that it could be better enabled to fight the war against CLL? What would be the measurements that would provide the evidence of improvement? For starters, how about the immune system immunoglobulin indicators, IgG and IgM ?? These are common blood tests for CLL patients, but could they also be used to guide alternative treatments?
You would probably say that CLL cells have learned to hide really well from our compromised immune system – well, what if we knew how to re-program our immune system?
And of course the reason that you have seen no evidence that this is possible, is because no one is yet willing to invest in that line of research. It’s not necessarily prescription drug related.
These are just hypothetical arguments presently, but I intend to continue pursuing scientific knowledge on this subject.
Herb
I am delighted to see this topic is generating such a good debate. Keep it up you guys!
Thank you Chaya for taking the time and effort to bring this insight to us.
I believe we live our reality in every moment of our day in union with our God.
Acceptance of the NOW is not always easy but can be a beautiful gift to ourselves, family and loved ones.
Gratitude for expressing your thoughts.
Gratitude for letting me express my thoughts.
Jean
Chaya and Friends
This July with complete my fifth year of watch and wait. I live three months at a time, which is the time between blood tests. I have had two CT scans as well during that time, so far no progression of CLL symptoms.
I am conscious of the idea that trying to live a healthy life now may help me down the road when treatment becomes necessary. I also believe a postive mental attitude is good for everyone not just for those with termnal illnesses.
None of us get a guarantee of longevity when we enter this world. Perhaps for those who have CLL and other cancers the idea of our mortality is more obvious. The rest of mankind thinks they will live forever.
Most human cultures believe that life is precious and that people should fight for their existence no matter what. I believe in the “will to survive”, and that includes living life with joy and a positive attitude regardless of the obstacles that lifeplaces in front of you.
Can positive thought effect disease progression? Who knows, its fun to speculate about, but it is also more fun to go through life happy than to be miserable all the time.
If cancer could be defeated with the power of positive thinking, we could throw away chemo, skip radiation, forget about surgery, transplants and all the other “cures” we endure in our fight against the ravages of this disease.
Forget about infusion chairs, we’d all just go in for meditation sessions and classes on the mind/body connection. Oh, heck. Why not just start teaching that in daycare and pre-k so that cancer never gets a toe hold? That way, there’s never anything to cure? (Cue music, “What a Wonderful World”) Okay, I’m putting snark aside. ;-)
Cancer happens. Cancer has taken people with some of the most positive thinking personalities that I’ve ever known. These folks did everything right – they didn’t drink, didn’t smoke, weren’t obese, or have other bad habits. They were almost Pollyanna in their outlook on life but cancer was relentless. However, cancer didn’t take their spirit nor did it take their will to live what time they had to the fullest they could. Did they live longer because of their positive thinking? Maybe. Maybe not. Did they live happier because of their positive thinking? You betcha.
I personally believe that positive thinking does have its place. I know that my body is definitely healthier when I’m not under stress – a positive attitude and outlook is the best way to keep me headed in the right direction. And I feel much better when I’m able to appreciate those around me rather than going around in a constant funk. Nobody gets out of this life alive. It’s what we make of it. For me, a little humor, some positive thinking and a whole lot of improvisation will get me started along this journey.
Trying to draw scientific causal relationships between emotions/mental attitudes and disease is not possible in my opinion. Quantifying subjective emotional states does not lend itself to objective scientific method. While certain mental diseases like schizophrenia that are organically based can be accurately diagnosed, attitudes and feeling within functional ranges can not be assigned any accurate value- they are opinions. Depression can have multiple causes and there is no way to accurately assign value. Certainly mental attitude can indirectly affect health and survival but it is a waste of time trying to quantify it. The pop beliefs that worry causes ulcers and type “A” personalities causes heart attacks has been debunked. Nevertheless, don’t reject attitudes/emotional states as drivers of disease….it’s just not possible for western medicine to quantify such things. I agree with comments made by mswolf above.
I agree with premise, that positive thinking does not cure diddley squat.
However it is not always about me. What positive thinking/outlook does is to bless the people around us. It provides hope for the people who care about us.
I do not believe that eating only organic vegetables, and exercising an hour a day will in the long run “cure” or extend my pre-determined time here by one hour, but it makes my wife happy that I am doing it, and will probably help me somewhat when it is time for treatment.
Thank you for this article, Chaya. I have always found it particularly cruel to blame patients’ attitudes for their either getting cancer or failing to recover.
The first person to induce a good dose of positive thinking into my brain was my Oncologist from India at MDA. My Cancer Guru. He does not speak much but what he said straight after the results became evident of my condition was: You have the best there is, and when you will require treatment your body will respond most favorably. Go back to work. Those words have pulled me through all negativity since 2008. I am still on W&W and shudder at the thought of my next appointment. But what I did was change my life since that diagnosis. I changed my eating habits, lost 20lbs. I exercise more than before and I have a theory that if the body is programmed to deal with infection it can arrest the progress of my white cells. So far, so good. Each person needs their own mindset and strategy to deal with their own physique. Thinking positive won’t win you the lottery unless you buy the ticket :)
All of life is choices. We can choose to embrace life or try to rebuff it. I know that once I got over the initial shock of the c-word and decided to make the most of the time I have here, things greatly improved. I still have CLL and my numbers are climbing but while I am here I will enjoy those I love and people I meet. Since my diagnosis I have had the pleasure of planning and attending my daughter’s wedding, been at the births of my two new granddaughters and celebrated my 35th wedding anniversary with my husband!
My husband and I even did a half marathon with LLS and I am NO athlete.
I do get scared sometimes and worry but for the most part I am very grateful for all the Lord has given me.
I rarely comment here, but am greatful for all of Chaya’s work and the info this site provides. I also disagree with this article as to how one’s attitude affects their outcome. At least in regards to quality of life. I am one of those that try to maintain a positive attitude. I was diagnosed in 03. After some crying and I am a tough old guy, I began to study the disease. I decided to get healthy otherwise. That was the least I could do. I was obese so I lost 80 lbs over a couple of years. I started a regular exercise program. I changed my diet to an almost perfect one, but still very enjoyable. The next step was to quit somoking in 05. In Febuary of 05, I began RF treatment. I am a tax preparer and it never occurred to me that the chemo would interupt that tax season and it didn’t. I just worked later in the evenings on chemo days.
My CLL is stable since finishing that treatment in July, 05. I am not in remission, but not seeing any treatment in the near future either. Most times, I forget that I have CLL. I take no prescriptions and have no other health issues.
I believe that my quality of life is better because of the steps that I took after learning that I had CLL. I realy believe that if I did not have that positive attitude that caused me to change my lifestyle that I may not be alive today. Of course this is not true with everyone, but as John said, both sides of this issue can be easily argued.
Dave
I’ll say first…Blaming an ill person for illness is not helpful.
Second, thanks for this discussion.
Then, I tend to doubt the accuracy of these studies. One could ask…does a positive attitude affect life span in the general population? One may observe trends but can we apply trends to each individual?
What, then, is a positive attitude? If someone becomes ill and, out of fear, decides a positive attitude will help, is that ‘positive’?
As mentioned there have been many studies and much focus on the placebo effect. Also studies on the benefits of feeling ‘in control’ (of one’s life/destiny/day/disease/happiness/future). Personally I try to avoid nicking at someone’s premise of hope even if I don’t agree (I guess because I do believe the belief has some power).
As humans we fluctuate. I know that fear and acceptance along with 40 other emotions are part of how I experience each day.
Anyone who is truly positive is also honest enough to say “Ouch” when it hurts!!
I love redheads, there are three little California Finches sitting on the nearby fence, the sunshine blazing their red feathers brighter than anything possible. Will that little thought make my life last a little longer, you bet it will. Time is an illusion, I have enjoyed my retirement so much I couldn’t believe it had been less than a year and I would actually have to file taxes. OK time doesn’t stand still but you can make it last longer. I’ve learned how to eliminate income taxes perhaps death the other part of the parable can also be eliminated.
Correlation is never causation and often times we can identify correlation far easier than causation. I can correlate a time of extreme stress with my diagnosis, stress that brought me to my knees. If, in my mind, the stress was the cause then also, in my mind, can the elimination of stress aid in some way my battle with CLL?
I was first alerted by a high white blood cell count and told to immediately see my doctor. A quick check on the Internet showed the symptoms could be: aggervation, confusion, acoma, and death. My first thought was to treat the symptoms and avoid aggervation. I am now much better at walking away and all those yahoo’s driving around only make me laugh now. Will this help me live longer, with out a doubt. Will it cure my cancer? I don’t think so but it will make me stronger in my battle.
This article like so many issues brought forth here are the touch of reality that give us all hope and guidance for our future. To have found you Chaya has made this discussion possible not because you are here but because here we can find the answers.
As always, Chaya tells it straight.
I do wish those who don’t agree with her would provide some evidence for their assertions, something convincing. I’m sure Chaya would be delighted to change her mind in the face of such evidence, but there isn’t any.
Not a drop.
Chaya,
Does this mean that the “endorphin strategy” is bunk?
God bless you for all that you do for us.
Tommy
Chaya,
Thank you so much for sharing this article and your personal comments with us. As a ‘nube’ with CLL (diagnosed 1-yr ago), your comments remind me that life on earth is not eternal, however, we can walk through life with the attitude that our glass is always 1/2-full and enjoy the walk so much more…., and not worry about its’ duration.
Please continue with your work. You are so very much appreciated.
Roy Barker
Chaya
As usual you are helpful and full of what many of us call common sense. I love the way you make clear when you are expressing an opinion and how you share your sources so that we can follow up ourselves with what the data. We could use more of your grounded approach to dialogue, not just in discussing CLL but in the rest of our society
In my own case I think I gave a pretty good attitude with my CLL but have been frustrated with people who try to enforce their belief system on me. I could get better if I just “believed” in their latest alternative therapy fad. I do take green tea pills. I know the jury is still out but I like the fact that it has been in real clinical trials.
I would like to reply to an only slightly different form of question, i.e., “Can We Use Our Minds to Influence Cancer Outcomes?” which, because of its length, I’ve posted on my blog . (The short answer is, of course, ‘”Yes ,we can.” I also provide a personal example, not related to CLL, but to spinal stenosis.
– Tom Nielsen
Climbing harder than ever, learnt mandolin and took up bass again. Did an MSc. Studying for my CFA. Two rounds of Chemo down. Three syblings match. Positive attitude makes no difference to the cancer. But it does to the quality of life you lead. Bring on the stem cell tansplant when remission starts to fail again. I was diagnosed at 45 – soon to 56. I’m confident but not stupid.
Robin Bennie
Since links are stripped from comments, here, google: Can We Use Our Minds to Influence Cancer Outcomes? to read my reply/post.
– Tom
Chaya,
I agree with your assessment. I am a middle of the road type of person and not prone to being bubbly etc. I have learned to accept my CLL even though I would prefer not to have it. And, I am living the life I would have led if I had not had this dx- at least for as long as I can. I don’t believe in beating ourselves up for any reason and think that can lead to all sorts of negative feelings and perhaps neg. health as well. So, I prefer to keep my true feelings that are sort of neutral as far as mood and be myself. Not sure if I have explained this correctly but I won’t lose any sleep over it (summarizes my philosophy)
As always, many thanks,
Chris R
You have to admire the tenacity of those who would raise psychology to the level of a “hard science.” I’ve watched people linger for days willing themselves to die and not eating or drinking. I’ve also seen people die quickly who very much wanted to live. I’m not sure this study actually measured anything.
On a lighter note: I’m a great fan of all kinds of Scandinavian crime fiction, and I don’t think I would compare their psychological results to any other populations. (Only half tongue in cheek!)
Great Discussion,
Jim Wilson
Chaya: I look at positive thinking in a slightly different way. You may be right, that a person can not influence the wild and already affected cells, but I believe that positive thinking can mobilize and direct the “good” or unaffected cells in one’s immune system and energize them to fight. This is what I consider the power.
My husband had better than average health habits, a stressful job and was rocked emotionally by his CLL diagnosis. I disagreed when he said ” I did this to myself” but the course of his disease was too short for him to come to terms with living with it in a positive way. We didn’t utilize or have easy access to the alternative medicine support that is out there at some treatment centers. I would have been glad for him to have been able to get past the scary CANCER word and used some positive ways of thinking. I regret that we absorbed the misery, my lame and amateur attempts to include humor did not fly. But, he did escape into many hours of the Sopranos- a diversion of dark humor.
I do not agree with you, chaya. First of all it’s the way of looking at things. Your way is a strictly let’s say biochemical way, like the basic of all the western therapies based on the theory of cellular pathology of Virchow. But there is much more enery and there is much more behind cancer, illness and cure, we are still not able explaining it with our rational mind. Apart from this, people should query all kind of studies. Recently they published a result of medical studies in Europe – more than 60% have serious methodological flaws. I think it will be the same in USA. I agree with you that only with positive thinking, you gonna have a hard time to cure yourself of cancer. But there is another way of combining medical treatments with positive thinking. I’m surprised that you haven’t mentioned the O.Carl Simonton Cancer Center in California. O.C.Simonton works as a oncologist and specialist for radiation therapy. Together with a group of psychologist he invented a special method of visualization on a scientific basis. For more than 20 years he recorded great successes combining Chemo with this visualization technique (a kind of positive thinking). As a scientist myself i read his books and i must admit – it’s a promising approach with surprisingly good results. So read his books and make up your own mind. I think it’s worth to look at disease from a new perspective, particulary when the results are much better than the offered standard therapies.
Cancer is the ultimate loss. Loss of health, loss of strength, and finally loss of life. I’d just like to include one of my favorite quotes, from Chief Tecumseh of the Shawnee nation.
“So live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about their religion;
respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life.
Seek to make your life long and its purpose in the service of your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or a sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend,
even a stranger, when in a lonely place.
Show respect to all people and grovel to none.
When you arise in the morning give thanks for the food and for the joy of living.
If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies only in yourself.
Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools
and robs the spirit of its vision.
When it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled
with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep
and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way.
Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.”
Thank you Chaya.
The Healing Power of Positive Thinking published in 1980 is one of a number of books that helped start and spread this myth. I remember another published about 1972 that led the bandwagon.
I too have wondered about the positive thinking. I do believe that while “it is what it is….” how I choose to look at things in a positive manner will help me through the journey. I am choosing to look at this as a part of life and there are things worse than the “C” word. I actualy choose to be grateful because my CLL has made me more aware of those around me and helping and being there for them. I may have been wrapped up in my own world and not seen that I can benefit others. I say that doing for others helps me get through the day and knowing I made a difference in their lives is what makes life good for me.
If I had not have witnessed this with my own eyes I guess I might have questioned this. Years ago when I was a nurse working in the Emergency room we had a man who was 80 years old. He had a cardiac arrest and he was never conscious. We did CPR for over 45 minutes and the Dr finally called the code. I was cleaning the room up after and heard breathing. I called the Dr over and he said start and IV, get some O2 on him and get him up to ICU. He said wow how am I going to tell the family he is alive. I told them he had passed. Well he left the hospital but before he did he told the Priest that 3 of us nurses were praying for him. I knew that I had and when the Priest told us one of the other nurses said she was too. We never found out who the 3rd nurse was. But he knew we were praying for him and I had never told anyone about this till the day the Priest was telling us the story. So whether positive thinking helps or does not help the CLL it can only help me to be live a happier more efficient life rather than being angry that for some reason I got this. I have accepted the CLL and will deal with what I have to deal with. I do feel that many times people with the “c” word have to help all those well meaning people that want to help us but don’t know how to help us. We have to have it together to help them. But having a good attitude will mean people won’t mind being around me and they would get tired of hearing me complain about “why me!” so we all have to have something and I choose to be positive and just deal with it.
Well, Chaya, this article has certainly inspired many to voice opinions, both pro and con. I can only speak from my own experience.
Regarding health and most other things, I have always had a very positive attitude and done whatever it took to keep myself fit. Diet, exercise, non-smoker, etc. I rose at 5:00 AM each morning, took my exercise machine (a German shepherd dog named Rolf), and had a wonderful walk, rain or shine…I walked five miles while Rolf did about 36 (estimated) which set us both up for the rest of the day…life was wonderful. A dog is the best exercise machine on the market.
Then there came a time when I needed a knee replacement due to a knee injury. During the doctor’s visit prior to the surgery, I met the diagnosis of CLL with shock and utter disbelief. If positive attitude and thinking worked, I should never have become ill in the first place. Me? Cancer? Cannot be true. But there it was. And it is still here.
I was diagnosed in March of 2006 and have not yet had any treatment for the CLL other than green tea supplements. I know I will have to “deal” with this soon. Since the CLL diagnosis, I also have been tagged by idiopathic pulmonary hypertension which put me into a hospital with pneumonia; but I survived that despite having a poor immune system and having an intern “explain” to me about the treatment I am receiving for the pulmonary hypertension:”the doctor is not treating you..there is no treatment..you are dying”. I replied that I am aware that there is no real treatment but the medications made me much more comfortable, improved quality of life, and might add a little time as well. Having two incurable diseases is no picnic in the park…neither is having to “deal” with some health care professionals.
I do try to maintain a positive attitude and very few friends know I am ill, although some guess that “something is wrong” since I have not enough energy to keep up former activities.
Yes, my life has changed, and not really for the better. I did not know that it was possible to get so tired struggling to do so little; going to bed tired and waking up not feeling rested. My get up and go simply got up and went. But, never say never… I’ll do my best to hang around a while longer. I really must, since my husband has a different blood cancer that is very rare and he needs all the help he can get…there is no interest group for him.
Thank you for the article, Chaya… just reading it made me feel better; I know I am not immortal and that death is not an optional choice and now I can give myself permission not to be so worried that I might be killing myself with my mind when I sometimes feel a bit “down”. I’ll leave the debating to others.
Betty
Hello Chaya,
Let me start by sending my condolences at the passing of your husband Harvey… I hope the pictures in your mind are eventually filled with only the best of times :)
My journey has just begun… in that my husband is 55 years old has recently started treatment for what the doctors have diagnosed as del 17p CLL… to which they have not offered the least bit of hope for a cure or even any lasting remission… and although I do allow moments of “what if’s” and uncertianty about the future…If I let myself continue the “accept the inevitable” train of thought I believe I would surely go CRAZY! I realize that “positive thinking” in itself is powerless to change much at all… but what one “Believes” can change everything! And I truely believe that with God, all things are possible… I also realize that doctor’s, scientist, and medicine are tools that can be used, so we are submitted to any part they can contribute to the time that my husband can stay with me past the 30 years we have already had together, while we wait for his complete healing! :)
Hello Chaya,
Well, after reading the numerous comments to Chaya’s article, I have not come across a situation which reflects my thoughts on CLL. When diagnosed with CLL in 2006, I simply told the Dr, OK, period. Since i have a rabid intractable pain situation with my spine, there simply has not been any time to lament/dwell/feel sorry, mad, sad, or feel negative toward the CLL diagnosis. Again, I was hoping to find someone here who had a similar situation, but i have not found one.
So, as Chaya put it, ‘A good thing gone bad’ for me has actually turned out to be a ‘Bad thing gone Good. My many years dealing with a spinal situation and associated side effects from the prescribed opiates have not allowed me to feel much at all about my CLL.
At this point, after 23 CBCs, all the warning lights are going off on the CBC-CLL dashboard. But again, I really do not have many feeling, other than scientific and/or medical questions regarding CLL. This could change in the future once the CLL begins to out spar the spinal ordeal, but not yet since the CLL is still at the bottom of my totem pole of concern.
Thanks to Chaya’s fine article regarding ‘Patients’s Social Environment'(by Dr Smolej), I can relate to the treatment options considered for 1) healthy patients — fight like crazy, 2) moderate health — go slow, and 3) frail/chronic health — no treatment.
I’m not sure which path I will take, but no treatment is where i am leaning (that could change with time). Regardless, the collaborative forum and articles that Chaya provides for us sure makes things much more easy. And I thank Chaya for that regardless of whether I agree, or disagree with her input and/or opinions. But being a scientist as Chaya is, I see her input as positive.
Mercy, for us, her information and opinions are free. For Chaya it entails lots of work and concern for CLL patients. Thus my message is, take the data and do what you want with it, but don’t beat on her for something you disagree with in her articles or philosophy. Cheers & Thank you Chaya.
I have survived for eight years since diagnosis. At the present I have no symptoms, and do not have any complications of the disease or the treatment. I live as if i did not have cancer. Friends of mine attribute this to my positive attitude. However as a sufferer from depression for over 20 years I can assure them that this is not the case. I quite agree with your article, particularly regarding the guilt that sufferers are likely to feel when the inevitable non-Hollywood ending approaches. I decided that with such a good remission I would live every day of my life to the full, and I certainly have. Still a performing singer at 63, a highly successful teacher, and have a lovely family.
After diagnosis we had decided to take one last holiday to Mauritius. Since treatment we have been to Kenya, Egypt, Tunisia, Cyprus, Rhodes, Denmark, USA. Where next?
Being non-religious and highly sceptical of anything paranormal, I believe that all we have is right here and now. It is our duty to those not so fortunate as ourselves to savour every waking moment to our best ability and our duty to our families to be known to have done so.
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